if the negotiations were here out are on c-span, the president loses, if we have secret meetings that he gets to explain what happened, he loseses because the establishment press buys his story. >> grover, comment -- weigh in on president obama saying when speaker boehner offered $800 billion in increased revenues and president obama saying no, i get those for free. >> well, we've only been through this three times in 1982, reagan got taken. he put tax increases on the table. democrats took the tax increases. spending went up. eight years later bush offered $2 of tax increases for every dollar of -- i'm sorry, $2 of spending cuts for every dollar of tax increase. the cuts never happened. increases did. boehner was offered one to one. not only are phony spending cuts phony, they get smaller each time. >> keep moving the goal post. >>> grover, we have to leave it there. thank you. >> okay. >>> imagine every shipping port from massachusetts to texas shut down. nothing gets in or out. unions mobilizing to strike this weekend. if they don't get their way, will everyone pay? [ male announce